Riding the AI Wave: Jonathan Green’s Success Story – Part 2

Episode 204

Ever had a conversation with an AI? How about using one as a creative partner? Join us on this fascinating journey as we unveil the incredible potential of chat GPT in the creative process. Learn how it can serve as a sounding board for your ideas or even help generate engaging content for a novel. We also dissect the creative process into manageable steps with our favorite AI friend, showing you how a blend of randomness and method can birth unique ideas.

Think AI is only good for creativity? Think again. We venture into the realm of trend analysis and show you how AI tools like Web Pilot and Vox Script can offer you valuable insights from popular platforms like YouTube and Amazon. Imagine being able to extract crucial information from data dumps, and all it takes is asking the right questions. We also highlight how chat GPT can skyrocket your e-commerce profits, thanks to the magic combo of batch processing, Google spreadsheets, and Wolfram Alpha.

But it’s not all tech and tools. We go personal and share our experiences with the challenges and benefits of remote living. We stress the need for self-motivation, resilience, and balance, especially when work and family life cross paths. The journey then takes a twist towards the challenges of traveling with young children and the importance of stability. And to wrap it up, we examine the power of strong emotions as motivation, and how a little discontentment could be the push we need. Join us and let’s explore the delightful blend of technology, personal development, and entrepreneurship.

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00;00;24;02 – 00;00;40;20
Unknown
How can people use Chad GPT to accelerate the creation process? Sure. So it’s just a really good while to bounce ideas off of. Sometimes, you know, we like join masterminds or go to groups where we talk to other people and we say all this stuff and then we figure out our our like we say, Oh, thanks for your help, but the person like, I don’t talk yet.

00;00;40;20 – 00;00;57;06
Unknown
So there’s something about talking out loud and bouncing an idea that can be very valuable. If you’re just being totally original, creative, you can really try to be really shines in that area because it doesn’t wait good and bad. So it just kind of will go very random. And sometimes random comes up with great ideas. You’re just bouncing ideas as you work through the process.

00;00;57;07 – 00;01;13;04
Unknown
Every single part can be faster because sometimes you get slowed down. Like for me, writing a book is easier than writing the book description this out because you have to do it and you have to format yarns like how I have to think about how is this book differ from my other books, right? How can I write a different description, what keywords I put in there?

00;01;13;07 – 00;01;29;05
Unknown
And that’s a process that’s not fun because it’s not creative. So whatever process is hard for you, you can have it do that process. I’ll give you a specific example that might be more helpful is that I always try to do things that have a high risk of failure. So like when I do a live demo, I’ll always do something that’s very risky because I want to live on the edge.

00;01;29;05 – 00;01;42;07
Unknown
That’s like I want to see how far I could push to be. So I was playing with it early on and everyone’s like, Oh, you can’t get shot. You need to write a novel that will pass. I test, I go, I bet I can challenge accepted. Like that’s my first thought. So I go, I’m going to write a novel.

00;01;42;07 – 00;01;55;26
Unknown
Let me do a romance novel because I never read romance. Like I want to do something hard. It’s easy. We do science fiction because I have good architecture, because I read a lot sci fi. So I’m doing this romance novel and I just find a process. And the process is really, Hey, give me three ideas for romance novel, okay?

00;01;55;26 – 00;02;08;19
Unknown
I want to succeed with fiction in you Serious? So I say, okay, write out the next, give me a paragraph. But each of the seven books in the rest of the series and I go, okay, change this one. Change that one. Change is when she she’s that one. So I’m really doing is I’m chooser and adventuring it, right.

00;02;08;19 – 00;02;26;16
Unknown
I’m kind of modifying it as it goes. Each step I go, okay, write a character sheet about the main character. Oh, I don’t like this change that, I don’t like this change that write me character sheet about the love interest by doing it one by one, slowly creating. And then I create the outline and then a deep outline of what this does is now that I have the outline of the book and it follows a flow I find interesting, I can then error correct.

00;02;26;16 – 00;02;44;26
Unknown
So it starts writing the book. I can go, Wait, this doesn’t match what the outline says. So going in this order lets you kind of like mind mapping. You do the inner and the outer in the outer. So whatever any creative process, you can have it do everything. And because you keep choosing like my main skill as an author is not that I’m interesting, it’s that I can tell when someone’s being boring.

00;02;44;26 – 00;02;58;29
Unknown
If I’m interviewing someone and I make them talk about something else, I have a really low threshold for boring. So when I’m interviewing someone like to ghostwrite their book, I make now this is You got to stop. This is You’re killing me. Change the subject, right? I will do that. Because if it’s if I’m bored, the reader will be bored.

00;02;58;29 – 00;03;15;20
Unknown
So it’s not like I have this great writing seal. I just have a very low attention span for boring and it forces the content to be interesting. So in the same way, if your whatever you’re an expert at when you have a driving and this is where the edge of you is driving instead of you, you can how to create the content and your job is to give me three to choose from.

00;03;15;20 – 00;03;31;24
Unknown
Give me ten to choose from. Oh, I don’t like that chapter. Change it so you can then go, Oh, I don’t like this ending. There’s a huge issue in romance. You have to let people know if there’s not a happily ever after ending because they get really mad in the reviews. If it’s a surprise bad ending, they go crazy and it’s like it’s like going to war with your viewers.

00;03;31;24 – 00;03;50;06
Unknown
And so they they take a really seriously. So you have to say no to happily ever after. It’s such a big deal, but so you can then change the ending what someone actually did and the reason they’re getting up and I is getting sued. So when I actually write the final two books in the sort of fire and ice books, this guy, George R.R. Martin’s, taken too long in his style write books six and seven.

00;03;50;06 – 00;04;14;02
Unknown
EDIT Did it so bad and he’s so mad. It’s also like you’ve had ten years. Come on. It’s really it’s at this point, it’s really you, but it’s also like it’s a scary place to realize. And here’s the thing they’re probably good. They’re probably really great reads not exactly what he would have done, but it’s probably 80% of the way there has the other books to build on, and I wish they’d use it because like the last two seasons, the HBO show where they had no books, where let’s be honest, everyone hated those seasons.

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00;04;14;02 – 00;04;30;28
Unknown
So that’s exactly what happened. So now you have this ability to create later works that is very interesting. So the creative process can be you driving an aircraft or it can be charged B drives and you go, Wait, that’s weird, or that doesn’t make sense or that’s off track, or you just introduced a character that’s not in the outline, What are you doing?

00;04;31;00 – 00;04;46;14
Unknown
So you’re kind of following an error correcting, kind of saying, this is an interesting change. This you just what you can’t do is have Chatzky read, write a book and you’re not paying attention and then you publish it without reading it. That’s not what you want to do. That’s where you end up with a book that has like a lot of crazy stuff in it because it will forget who the characters are.

00;04;46;14 – 00;05;00;27
Unknown
It will go off track. All of these things happen, but if you’re just reading it and you go, Oh, I don’t like this section, change it. Each time there’s a section, you’re going to edit with a pretty good book that matches what you want because you made it into what you want. So you were very involved. Even though you’re the passenger instead of the driver.

00;05;00;27 – 00;05;21;03
Unknown
I’d like to follow up with one question about Chad Beatty and the arts, and I’ll give an example. Sam, an e-commerce seller and I sell puzzles with different designed puzzles, and I’m trying to figure out what would be the most appealing design on my puzzle to sell to the end user. How could somebody or T-shirt designs or whatever, but it was stick with a puzzle example.

00;05;21;03 – 00;05;44;18
Unknown
How could somebody use this tool to identify what is appealing to people? So each activity has plug ins now, and you could add and I use to plug into one that gives it access to YouTube video, the one that gives it access to Internet searching. So this happened earlier today to me, activated my Pinterest prompt and then I said I was doing a demo video for someone and I and I said, Tell me ten trends that are hot on Pinterest right now, and I guess I could do this right.

00;05;44;18 – 00;05;59;08
Unknown
I was just messing around. I don’t know exactly what it did, but I know that it used the YouTube plugin, not the web search, plug it and it gave me ten like shockingly good answers there. I was like, Oh, this is amazing. That’s doing going beyond what my pre prompted trained it to do. That was really exciting place to be.

00;05;59;08 – 00;06;15;16
Unknown
So when you have those two activated, you can ask questions like that. You can just say, Hey, give me ten trends and puzzles that maybe people haven’t noticed but are probably going to go up in the next few months and it will look at all sorts of weird data sources. They were all data from Amazon because it has that ability to look at Amazon Now at Elbow.

00;06;15;16 – 00;06;30;29
Unknown
Data from YouTube will pull data from blog posts and very interesting outcomes. It’s not always going to be right. That’s why you still have to pay attention to go, you know, because it might tell you something like offensive puzzles, you know, like, I don’t want to do that. Sure, maybe they’re on the rise. But, you know, I like Nina does bad word coloring books.

00;06;31;02 – 00;06;49;22
Unknown
Then you don’t want to take every idea without paying attention. Your job is to be Eric reacting and paying attention, but it will probably come up with ten really good ideas. T-shirts is the same thing because there’s a bunch of people that post videos every week of these new These are the new hot trends and t shirt. So probably pulling its data from those videos as opposed to running analytics on all of Amazon’s database.

00;06;49;22 – 00;07;11;00
Unknown
But I don’t know for sure because you can’t always tell what it’s doing. That’s my guess, kind of based on looking at the input in the output. So that’s really how I would approach it is looking. You can always give it access to data sets, like you can give it access to a spreadsheet. So if you’re using like an obscure website for selling your puzzles or like a more specific puzzle website, then you can pull out a database of all the puzzles on there in the sales data.

00;07;11;00 – 00;07;27;16
Unknown
If you have that, then it can interpret that spreadsheet and give you huge amounts of insights from it because it now has access to Google Sheets. You said that there was two plug ins that you could use too. What are the names of those? Sure. For Internet access, I use Web pilot and then or YouTube. It’s called Vox script.

00;07;27;16 – 00;07;44;18
Unknown
I believe it starts video and it allows it to pull the transcript of a YouTube video so it doesn’t have to actually watch the video to wait for it to watch a 20 minute video. It just pulls a transcript and pulls the data from that and takes like 2 seconds. Yeah, for sure. Those are awesome. And those are chrome plug ins that will do other activity inside of Chad, Djibouti.

00;07;44;21 – 00;08;00;09
Unknown
If you go to the settings, you can click betas and activate plug ins and there’s a plug installed with about a thousand plug ins to choose from. Just like everything else, Chatbots made it a nightmare. You have to click like seven things to find it, and then they organize all the plug ins alphabetically with no categories, and you’re only like ever once ends description.

00;08;00;09 – 00;08;16;15
Unknown
So it’s a nightmare to figure out what tools, but those two are really solid ones that have worked consistently, and I’ve never had a problem with either of them. Awesome. I’m going to go enable those. So for the listeners that you know, Jonathan, you had mentioned early on that the teams that have put these tools together are not marketers.

00;08;16;16 – 00;08;33;13
Unknown
They’re not, you know, they’re of a different breed. And so we understand that. And so if we have some listeners that maybe they’ve tried, I tried Chad Djibouti and they like you said, Hey, go in there and do one thing. It doesn’t produce anything. What is your advice them? Should they start with the question? Root Go and start asking it questions.

00;08;33;19 – 00;08;46;18
Unknown
Should they go read your book and then come back to it? What is your advice for them? Yeah, the shortest path is just to ask questions. You say I want this result. How do I get there? You can say I want to do this. What? How do we do it? And you can ask a really open ended question.

00;08;46;18 – 00;08;59;15
Unknown
Doesn’t even have to be. What impression do you need from me? You can just say, How do we get there and we’ll help you work through it. And it’s very collaborative. That’s one way to do it. My book is what my book is, is a bunch of prompts that I’ve used that made money and you can watch the entire conversation.

00;08;59;16 – 00;09;12;15
Unknown
The beauty of that is you can see what results I got, and if you copy paste the product, you should get the same results. So it really lets you see both sides of the conversation. There’s a lot of books out there that only show the prompt and not a result you’re going to get. And I hate that. That’s like listening to have a conversation.

00;09;12;15 – 00;09;23;14
Unknown
How do I know if I got the right result, if I don’t know what the result supposed to look like? So that’s really the process. What my book is designed to do is give you tons of problems in different categories. Some people read it and they just jump to the sections. They have the skill they want to work on.

00;09;23;14 – 00;09;39;08
Unknown
Like I just want to work on affiliate marketing. I just want to work. I like analyzing data. I just want to work on summarizing data for me. I just want to work on writing blog posts faster. I just want to work on planning, building business plan. So whatever kind of scale you want, you can jump to that section and it gives you a starting point with copy and paste prompts.

00;09;39;08 – 00;09;53;01
Unknown
I think that’s the only way for beginner to start. The other thing that’s important is that most people, the reason they don’t use chatbots is that they’re afraid or will think they’re an idiot. I had the same fear. I was like, What if this I think I’m stupid, I don’t want that to happen. I don’t know if it’s training itself for when it takes over.

00;09;53;02 – 00;10;05;10
Unknown
I don’t want to be the list of dummies. I wanted to think I’m smart. I had this whole fears. You just have to let go of that. Everyone has that same fear. It erases the conversations after you have them. It doesn’t. A member in between conversations. I could talk in one chat, right? I open a new one. He can’t remember the other threads.

00;10;05;10 – 00;10;20;06
Unknown
Right? It’s designed that way. And you just have to release that fear because the only way to learn is to make mistakes, ask silly questions and get silly answers and all of those things. Like I only found out that it won’t write the naughty scenes in a romance novel because I was asking it to do and my wife walked by goes, Well, then what’s the point?

00;10;20;06 – 00;10;34;20
Unknown
That’s the only that’s only part of the book she likes. You don’t know what a will or won’t do until you kind of hit that wall. And that’s how you learn. But you just want to release the fear of getting a bad result. And just I mean, how many times did you get back up riding a bike as a kid and you’re skinning your knees and you’re getting hurt?

00;10;34;20 – 00;10;48;27
Unknown
There’s no risk of that happening. But we have these adult fears and you just have to let go. Who’s have this fear of embarrassment or fear of looking down or fear of looking silly? Like every time I go on a podcast, they go with ask a question. I don’t have the answer right. It’s it doesn’t matter. You just have to let go of that fear because it’s just going to hold you back.

00;10;48;27 – 00;11;04;15
Unknown
No, I really like that. I know we’re coming up on time. I want to rip through a couple more quick questions. Let’s say like two or three prompts or two or three ways to use you beauty or any, I told you, increase revenue or profits for an e-commerce company. Anything come to mind? Yeah. The most important thing is speed for ecommerce.

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00;11;04;15 – 00;11;26;01
Unknown
And I’ve been working on an ecommerce project with some partners. I’m this on my mind a lot. The first thing is that you can actually connect Chad CBT to a spreadsheet and once you train on what you want, you can actually just have your product name, product link and you have a full an area for description, bullet points and title and you can actually just pull the box down and it will fill in like 50 or 100 products at once.

00;11;26;01 – 00;11;45;18
Unknown
So you can actually do batch work that way instead of having to do within the chatty interface, I will do it in the Google spreadsheet interface. That’s the first thing. So you can actually do massive amounts of content creation that way. The second thing is that you can use it for analyzing spreadsheets, so you can activate a plugin called Wolfram Alpha, which makes it better at math, or you can use those changing the names.

00;11;45;18 – 00;11;59;26
Unknown
But there’s always a part like data analytics are different names, but you can activate one of the beta features which kind of turns it to charge you for five. It makes it better at data analytics. I can’t remember the name they have for today because they just changed it recently. Either one of those modes lets it be better at math and letter it problem solving.

00;11;59;26 – 00;12;14;21
Unknown
Then you can link it to your Google spreadsheet and you can say, Well, tell me which of the products meet these criteria, right? Like, Oh, it has to have sold X number of products in the last three days. That’s to cost over $20. It has to have a profit margin of this vast different salaries. And none of the sellers is Amazon direct.

00;12;14;21 – 00;12;27;04
Unknown
Like those are some of the things I know. If it was on Amazon, then it can analyze a spreadsheet of millions of pieces of data in like seconds. So the other thing I could do is actually write formulas for you in a spreadsheet because I’m always bad at that, right? Like the one of like, oh, everyone entered first name and last name in the same column.

00;12;27;04 – 00;12;42;15
Unknown
I don’t make it two columns. How do I remove duplicates? I always forget those and then charge, which tells you how to do it so you can have it. Either analyze the data and do what you want, or you can have it right. Those different programs and formulas for you to get those results. So those are some of the things that I would use it for as an e-commerce seller.

00;12;42;15 – 00;12;58;23
Unknown
I think those are the low hanging fruit. Is there a is it a quick explanation on how to connect it to a spreadsheet? There’s a plug in called I think G sheet and you just activate that plug in and it will connected to it. There’s also a way inside of Google sheets to connect it a different way. It’s this Whatever I tell you will be changed within two weeks.

00;12;58;23 – 00;13;14;13
Unknown
Like the way of doing it always, though, is getting easier. So the methods are changing, just knowing that it can do it. And then you can look inside of charging you because ask it and it will tell you what’s the most current way to to connect to a Google sheet easily and to access that data in the intro, I mentioned that you live on a remote island in the South Pacific.

00;13;14;14 – 00;13;28;21
Unknown
Can you tell us a little bit more about that and how you run your business there? Yeah, so everyone I started out with in 2010, I started building my business, but I’m like, Yeah, we’re going to travel the world and go all around. And so my business got successful and two years later I was like, It’s time to hit the road, go country to country.

00;13;28;21 – 00;13;46;25
Unknown
All my friends were like, What are you talking about? Where we’ve we bought office space. We were a suits to work now. And I was like, Isn’t that what happened? Right? I was like, I thought that was our agreement. So I just started traveling. I went to live in Goa, India for three months and then I was in Ukraine and then I went to London and then I was in Thailand and then I was in Indonesia bouncing around all these different places.

00;13;46;25 – 00;14;02;12
Unknown
And then I visit one of my friends and met my wife and I was like, Oh, that’s a reason to stick around. And we have four kids together and there’s things you go through. So we wanted to move to this island, and the island had an issue of like sometimes, you know, we go out for four or five days a time of the power, go out for three days at a time.

00;14;02;12 – 00;14;18;03
Unknown
So you might only be at two days a week. So I really moved a lot of my business on to Amazon. For that reason. I was doing a lot of webinars and I was like, I can’t do live webinars anymore because I might have internet for three days, right? Two days before Jody’s after. So we really switched to a model that was much more really passive just in case.

00;14;18;09 – 00;14;31;28
Unknown
So when I write emails, I’ll write e-mails for two or three weeks in advance just in case. So it’s all done. So even if a power goes out or whenever the business keeps running. So that was part of the strategy. Now that we moved to that island and the problem kind of gone and I live on islands, gigabit Internet, I don’t have it.

00;14;31;28 – 00;14;47;15
Unknown
My last house had it. This house I could only get to 50 because they have it from my neighborhood, but it’s already taken. There’s not enough bandwidth for one more house all the other houses got. I guess that’s the issue is now like there’s four providers that all provide high speed Internet where I live. So it’s kind of changed those misnomer.

00;14;47;15 – 00;15;00;20
Unknown
I often in my calls people have slower internet than me. So the things that were really a challenge before, of course have gone away, which is like I changed our business model. The deal, slow Internet, you don’t have that problem anymore, which is very cool. The other thing is that, you know, it’s two in the morning for me.

00;15;00;22 – 00;15;19;21
Unknown
You have to adapt to other people sometimes and go, Well, sometimes I have to work at night because it just is what it is. Right? I’m going to end lives somewhere else. So that’s part of what I do as far as adapting. And also it means that it’s much easier. The lighting is better at night. I can control it and my kids don’t come in the room blasting the room all the time because they’re in the day.

00;15;19;21 – 00;15;35;10
Unknown
They do all the time. They come in here all the I never lock the door because they don’t want that to be it. And so they blaster meetings a lot. It’s just kind of a decision I made, you know, because I don’t want to become distant from my kids. Those are some of the things I deal with. The other thing is that you have to be someone who can self-motivated.

00;15;35;11 – 00;15;50;27
Unknown
You know, I survived a natural disaster, a tier one natural disaster, which is like the highest level you can survive. About three years ago, with my whole family coming out of that, you know, my business kept running. It made enough money to pay all the hospital bills for me. All five my kids to survive. When we came out a few, I had a heart attack like six weeks ago.

00;15;50;27 – 00;16;07;11
Unknown
So it’s what do I do afterwards? I’m like, Well, I said to the doctor, like, when can I train? Like, how long can I get on a bike? And now, like, my wife is getting nervous because I’m getting absolutely shredded, because every single day I put in 24 minutes on the bike and I run like that scientist says, like, someone’s behind you with a syringe full of boys.

00;16;07;11 – 00;16;21;21
Unknown
And I bike as hard as I can, always try to raise my heart rate so that my resting heart rate gets lower, lower. I want to be the excellent category, so I never have something like that again. So I have a particular personality type that when something happens, I’ll do whatever it takes to get past it. So I work out seven days a week.

00;16;21;21 – 00;16;38;13
Unknown
There’s no chance of me not doing it. Some days I only do bike, some days I do bike and elliptical. Some days I do bike, elliptical, lift weights, some days I just only lift weights. But I’m always training. I’m always doing seven days a week because I don’t want that to happen again. There’s a lot of people who don’t have the ability to self motivate.

00;16;38;13 – 00;16;50;20
Unknown
There was a bunch of travel bloggers that I followed around 2016. They all started travel. They made enough money to travel full time. They’re all out of business within a couple of weeks. So they would go to Machu Picchu and not write any blog posts. And then of course they go out of business. So they didn’t have the ability to do both.

00;16;50;20 – 00;17;09;10
Unknown
That’s why there’s like people who work from home and they’re always like t shirt and then the bottom half is pajamas. That’s the type of person that is seeing what they can get away with. But when you work for yourself, you have to kind of be this person who does whatever it takes. There’s this thing inside of me that says, I’ll take a project I hate if it means that my family eat this month, right?

00;17;09;10 – 00;17;24;24
Unknown
I’ll work with a client that I’m not really excited by, but I’ll do whatever it takes. And I’ve taken some projects that I hated, but I was like, I’ll do what I got to do because I’m a survivor. Like, I have this instinct inside of me. So that’s all part of it. So it’s really personality stuff. So I was talking to someone last week, was complaining about a product I was talking about.

00;17;24;24 – 00;17;38;03
Unknown
She goes, Oh, my husband said, It’s not great, because if your husband doesn’t think it’s a good fit, don’t buy it. I anytime someone emails me, I’m going to sell it for a product and like I’m on the fence, I go, don’t do it. If you’re emailing me, then definitely don’t do it because it’s I’d rather you not have a bad experience than buy and be mad at me.

00;17;38;03 – 00;17;51;06
Unknown
And so I said, Oh, there’s another business model you can test, which is you can go to all the goodwill stores in your town, scan it with an Amazon app, and if you see a big price difference, you grab that load listed on Amazon. And then it was a response that I didn’t really read because it’s an app with I don’t have time.

00;17;51;06 – 00;18;07;12
Unknown
And I said, okay, that’s the difference is that my because my wife was like, Oh my gosh, I wish we could do that right? She would be out there doing it every day because she has a motivation element that some people don’t have. So if you want to live remotely, you have to be someone who doesn’t get distracted by living on the beach and all because it’s awesome.

00;18;07;12 – 00;18;21;21
Unknown
I have an awesome house. I don’t I can’t believe how nice my house is, but just honest with you guys, like I have a pool. I have a basketball court. It’s tiny. It’s not even a half court, but it’s like, Are you kidding me? That’s so crazy. Every time we see that, like, every time my wife gets mad at me or something, I go, How many bathrooms we have in this house?

00;18;21;21 – 00;18;35;04
Unknown
And she’s like, Okay, you’re right. We have an awesome house. It’s just a reminder. Sometimes we forget. I go. One of the questions I used to ask in the last well, as is our room, this house you haven’t been in in six months, that means the house is huge, right? I think that’s crazy because we used to live in a studio apartment together.

00;18;35;05 – 00;18;49;29
Unknown
So some things you have to be very good at, which means you have to be fastidious, you have to work. My dad gave me this piece of advice a few years ago, which is when you know that you’re secondary to workaholic. He goes, Listen, Jonathan, you shouldn’t work. More than six and a half days a week is like, you got to take off a couple of hours every single week.

00;18;49;29 – 00;19;05;21
Unknown
And I was like, Well, that’s like, that’s intense right now. And it’s true. I do. I work every day, but I work shorter hours and I spend a lot of time with the kids. I would rather work 5 hours a day, seven days a week than 8 hours a day, five days a week. It’s kind of a chef thing, but it’s important to know if you have the personality that can motivate.

00;19;05;21 – 00;19;16;28
Unknown
If no one’s watching you, if you can still work, what happens to a lot of people? And it’s very cool that you guys went through this phase that it didn’t happen to you. Is that when you could only work 2 hours a day because you have a full time job, you’re just working at night, you have to be so efficient.

00;19;16;28 – 00;19;31;23
Unknown
Then when you quit your job, you suddenly have 8 hours and you arrive all day to work on this. And so you work slower. This happens to a lot of people. There’s a lot of challenges. As an entrepreneur, you face huge amounts of depression because you’re alone all the time and no one understands what you do. And it’s very you shift from being around people to being alone.

00;19;31;23 – 00;19;46;28
Unknown
Every entrepreneur deals with it, right? And it’s like you don’t know until it happens because it doesn’t happen when you’re only working part time. You don’t know that having more time can sometimes be a curse because it kills that efficiency. It’s like the people that they only operate while under crunch, so they only work while like a week before the papers do.

00;19;46;28 – 00;20;04;17
Unknown
And then they’re very efficient. So unless they’re in a constant state of emergency, they don’t get things done. So it’s very hard to become that type of person. You can be. You have to be very fastidious and very much in charge of your day and plan it. Some people I know who are like me, they have their whole day planned out in advance.

00;20;04;17 – 00;20;24;06
Unknown
They’re very, very schedule. I’m not that I’m very much freewheeling. Most of the time I have a list of the things I want to work through each week. I make a schedule for the week, I schedule for each day, and I just work through the tasks in order priority. But it’s all of these it’s kind of this it’s kind of inside of you, like, can I work on the task that makes me the most money, even if it’s boring instead of the task that’s the most interesting, even though it will make a difference for my business.

00;20;24;06 – 00;20;40;14
Unknown
Like that’s the part of the motivation thing you have to do. And this business is mostly about relationships. It’s mostly about friendships and connections and talking to people because if someone’s, you know, you’re let’s say you’re running $1,000,000 a year ecommerce war, which is awesome. How do you get to $10 million a year? You talk to someone who’s doing $10 million.

00;20;40;14 – 00;20;53;17
Unknown
You’re right. If you can talk to is around $10 million a year or $50 million a year, then you can see because that’s a huge jump in scaling, right? It changes the math, it changes the process. So relationships and handshake deals are so big on the inner, which is kind of crazy. You think it’s not how it’s going to be.

00;20;53;17 – 00;21;15;00
Unknown
You think it’s going to be all like e contracts and lasers and the exact opposite. It’s all about trust and relationships. So learning how to do those things online, learning how to maintain relationships, learning how to stay sane and not get distracted by the loneliness and kind of figure things out. It’s very much a process, right? And just like anything, because a lot of people right, when you leave your job, when your job goes, I don’t understand what you’re doing.

00;21;15;00 – 00;21;29;13
Unknown
You’re leaving. The security of a job is like, is there really job security or. Of course not. Right? It’s just a false belief. But people when you’re driving people that don’t get it, it can be very challenging, which is why it’s great to find communities, whether it’s online or in person, where you can talk to the people that are doing the same thing because their families don’t get it too.

00;21;29;14 – 00;21;43;27
Unknown
They go, You work online, but it just seems like magic. I think they think we’re all in crypto, which is like, No, I don’t do like I do anything crypto. I use a computer. That’s the only similarity, but that’s what can happen. So those are some of the challenges that if you can overcome those, you can have massive success.

00;21;43;27 – 00;22;05;01
Unknown
Like the reason most people don’t live or work online, don’t live on remote islands because they never Google what it costs. They all think that it’s 50 years ago and long distance phone call like I’m not paying $0.25 a minute to be on this call like that was in the eighties. But we don’t look or update information. There’s like ten tropical islands you can move to where you don’t need a visa and you can live there for a year as an American and the cost of living super low and then you don’t have to be taxed.

00;22;05;01 – 00;22;19;18
Unknown
So you make 30% more money just by getting on an airplane. Most people don’t look it up because if they looked it up and found out how much cheaper it is, there’d be this pressure behind them to take action. So they if they don’t have know the information, that they don’t have to take action so they can justify kind of not making the change.

00;22;19;18 – 00;22;35;05
Unknown
Yeah. Now, that’s interesting. And final question before we get into the fire out, do you prefer the digital nomad lifestyle or do you prefer being stationary? I was about zero zero nomad. It was awesome. It’s very hard to be efficient with a tiny screen. Laptop like that is something that kind of stinks. It’s like you can’t really see everything.

00;22;35;05 – 00;22;48;05
Unknown
What I prefer is like everywhere I go, I just want to buy three giant monitors so I can have a big set up. That’s the one thing for me for sure. The other challenge is just that I have young kids. My kids are all ten and under, so I wouldn’t travel without them. Like, that’s not something I want to do.

00;22;48;07 – 00;23;08;24
Unknown
So yeah, we just went into Awesome Vacation where like my kids were playing with a tiger than riding an elephant and going to waterparks like we love doing that cool stuff together, like seeing them have adventures. That’s the phase of life I’m in. I’m in my forties, so I already did the travel the world by yourself. It’s very you have to have a particular type of business which is very, very passive, where you only have to check in once a week and then you can do more of that stuff traveling with kids.

00;23;08;24 – 00;23;26;07
Unknown
But my kids are in school. They go to a really good school where they have they’re just learning some really cool stuff right now. That’s so that’s the melody I think is very good for them. It’s very hard for kids to have no structure to be fully nomadic. It can be very challenging for them. They all they almost go feral because they’re like, I had no idea like it, any type of structure, right?

00;23;26;07 – 00;23;40;20
Unknown
And that’s the challenge. Like every day there’s a different time zone. Every day we have different structure. I don’t know what’s going to happen tomorrow, so there’s no predictability. So there is a value in, you know, things are different when you’re a kid and we know that there’s a value to having some ability to interact with society and make friends and develop social skills.

00;23;40;21 – 00;23;53;03
Unknown
Those things I see as a value. I think that you’re younger in your twenties and you want to travel from country to country. I thought I was doing for like six months before I met my wife and it was awesome. Sometimes things in your life make you want to change. I’m not done traveling right. I want to take my family to see the pyramids.

00;23;53;03 – 00;24;05;21
Unknown
I want to take my family to see the Northern Lights. I want to see my family too much Abby drive and been there. I want to take my family to see Angel Falls in Venezuela, the longest waterfall in the world if it ever opens up. Right. There’s a lot of cool things to do that my kids will appreciate more when they’re older.

00;24;05;21 – 00;24;19;16
Unknown
You know, like we we got these massive vacations sometimes and like, what’s your favorite part? And they go the airplane and it’s like, oh my gosh, that’s my least favorite part. That’s the whole trip. So out of my answer that I am much more I want to live somewhere awesome that’s far away. So I kind of have the best of both worlds.

00;24;19;16 – 00;24;31;16
Unknown
That’s why I love where I live, like I have a great life and have a little bit of stability. At the same time. We’ll call anything else that we skipped over we want to cover before we get into the fire round. Well, let’s get into it. All right, Jonathan, are you ready to do this? I’m ready to rock.

00;24;31;17 – 00;24;45;21
Unknown
The Fire Round is a series of four questions, quick answers, and we’ll rip it through it. What is your favorite book? The Book of Five Rings by Miyamoto Musashi. Nice. What are your hobbies? Windsurfing. Right now. Those are the two lights as you get them. I was messing with the lights in the room. I program the lights myself.

00;24;45;21 – 00;24;59;08
Unknown
I’m like always connecting wires and trying different things. So I was trying to find a hobby that’s not expensive but that I can get really into. So I said, Oh, I’ll get really to LEDs because it’s like I could draw myself then. Now that’s cool. So for, for those listening, we’ll have it on the YouTube channel. Go and check it out.

00;24;59;08 – 00;25;12;20
Unknown
Dyson’s got some really super dope LED lights in the background and that’s one. What is one thing that you do not miss about working for the man being shouted out? The reason I said I never want to go back to work where selling can fire me or shout at me. I don’t want anyone to have that power ever again.

00;25;12;23 – 00;25;31;08
Unknown
Yeah, fair enough. Last one. What do you think sets apart successful entrepreneurs from those who give up, fail or never get started? I think there’s two things. So the first is consistency, which is I’m not a genius. I’m not a really good worker. I just work every day. I work every day. I put in a little bit. I move the ball forward a little bit.

00;25;31;08 – 00;25;46;06
Unknown
Every day. There’s people that are chasing by reality. I’ll just keep taking swings until the one thing spikes on tick tock, right? And it comes and you do well. And then when it’s gone, you don’t know what to do. So it’s the ability to put inconsistent work over time. Like I can’t check my email today and then not have to check it again for a month.

00;25;46;07 – 00;26;01;25
Unknown
You still have to do it every day because there’s things that you have to check every day. The second thing is that everyone talks about love like, Oh, love is the ultimate motivation. If you love enough, feel succeed. I don’t believe that. I think it’s hate. You hate your job enough. If you hate your boss enough, if you hate your life enough, it will push you out.

00;26;01;29 – 00;26;23;05
Unknown
And that’s the thing, is that some people what happens is that people go, I don’t really like my life. It’s like the guy who’s trapped in the friendzone is like, Well, I’m not really happy with my situation, but I half our relationship. So I just kind of settle for it’s only when you hate how bad you feel that you then exit that and finally find your true love in the same way that if you just are lukewarm about your job, then you’re really stuck there for a long time.

00;26;23;05 – 00;26;39;12
Unknown
But if you hate it and you hate your boss and you let that year you like every time someone is like told me I can’t do something, then I go, Well, then I have to do it because I have to prove you wrong. And that’s not a motivation driven by love. There is a stronger emotion inside of you, which is the hatred for who you used to be, the hatred where you are in life.

00;26;39;12 – 00;26;57;13
Unknown
Those, I think, are two powerful motivators. That’s excellent. And yeah, I agree. And and I know David does to you, Jonathan. If people are interested in getting in touch with you or joining some of your courses, what’s the best way to get in touch? You had to serve no MasterCard board slash I the bunch of free gifts, a bunch of free tools.

00;26;57;13 – 00;27;12;28
Unknown
You can link you to my book chat to be profits and you can’t remember that just Google serve no master. Every result for the first hundred is me. So I have total control over my brand. Well, we really appreciate your time today and we are looking forward to staying in touch. Thanks for having me, guys. I had a good time.

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Hidden Potential: The Science of Achieving Greater Things
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